I have been toying with this idea a lot recently. Most atheists are deeply religious. We will never live in a truly secular society, the best we can hope for is an official religion that tolerates a modicum of heresy.
Most Western Atheists you mean. "Soulism" doesn't really exist in Non-Western Secular cultures like Northeast Asia (except South Korea) and most former Soviet Union countries for example.
lol this was the understanding before christianity. it didn't come out of christianity. Europagans understood the world and universe to be divine, that's why everything in it 'was' arbitered by a God or sometimes multiple Gods.
Light, sun, moon, night, the Earth, fauna, flora...
Humanism is not paganism. It is a new religion that emerged from Christianity in modern times. Humanism came from Christianity, and Christianity had its own precursors (paganism, Greek philosophy and Judaism). Yes, the concept of the soul predates Christianity, as does the concept of God.
what you call "humanism" is largely a regurgitation of what Europagans had already ascribed to the world. the ideas there aren't new to humans. the history of "humanism" as a post-christian philosophy doesn't make their ideas new.
also I'm amazed that you're talking about "the concept of the soul and the concept of God" when my post was literally about the physical universe itself as divine, not abstract or metaphysical things like gods or souls.
Humanism is no more like paganism than it is like Zoroastrianism. It's a new religion. The closest affinity is to Christianity, because it emerged from Christianity. Paganism was a complex system of beliefs, myths, practices, etc. It was not just a vague notion that everything is divine.
If there is no distinction between physical reality and divinity, then "divinity" is meaningless. You made that distinction yourself when you talked about physical things being arbitered by Gods. If someone says "the soul", they are making an implicit distinction between the soul and the body. So, you shouldn't be amazed at me talking about those concepts. The phrase "the physical universe itself as divine" invokes the abstract metaphysical concept "the divine", which invokes the concept of God.
> Soulists find it hard to understand worldists. They tend to reinterpret worldist values in soulist terms. A worldist concern about the future of civilization is interpreted as “hate”. A worldist desire to reproduce is interpreted as seeking happiness or ego-validation, etc. The soulist always views values as instrumental to subjective outcomes.
I think we worldists should own subjective hatred, "Yes, I don't just value XYZ (hate) because I also care about ABC". The soulists would prefer the discussion not be about trade-offs between competing goods but instead shut down competing goods as taboo
I have been toying with this idea a lot recently. Most atheists are deeply religious. We will never live in a truly secular society, the best we can hope for is an official religion that tolerates a modicum of heresy.
Most Western Atheists you mean. "Soulism" doesn't really exist in Non-Western Secular cultures like Northeast Asia (except South Korea) and most former Soviet Union countries for example.
If you want to spread your ideas, you should talk to Malcolm Collins and do an interview on Basedcamp.
I've never heard of them before. I'll check them out.
lol this was the understanding before christianity. it didn't come out of christianity. Europagans understood the world and universe to be divine, that's why everything in it 'was' arbitered by a God or sometimes multiple Gods.
Light, sun, moon, night, the Earth, fauna, flora...
Humanism is not paganism. It is a new religion that emerged from Christianity in modern times. Humanism came from Christianity, and Christianity had its own precursors (paganism, Greek philosophy and Judaism). Yes, the concept of the soul predates Christianity, as does the concept of God.
what you call "humanism" is largely a regurgitation of what Europagans had already ascribed to the world. the ideas there aren't new to humans. the history of "humanism" as a post-christian philosophy doesn't make their ideas new.
also I'm amazed that you're talking about "the concept of the soul and the concept of God" when my post was literally about the physical universe itself as divine, not abstract or metaphysical things like gods or souls.
Humanism is no more like paganism than it is like Zoroastrianism. It's a new religion. The closest affinity is to Christianity, because it emerged from Christianity. Paganism was a complex system of beliefs, myths, practices, etc. It was not just a vague notion that everything is divine.
If there is no distinction between physical reality and divinity, then "divinity" is meaningless. You made that distinction yourself when you talked about physical things being arbitered by Gods. If someone says "the soul", they are making an implicit distinction between the soul and the body. So, you shouldn't be amazed at me talking about those concepts. The phrase "the physical universe itself as divine" invokes the abstract metaphysical concept "the divine", which invokes the concept of God.
> Soulists find it hard to understand worldists. They tend to reinterpret worldist values in soulist terms. A worldist concern about the future of civilization is interpreted as “hate”. A worldist desire to reproduce is interpreted as seeking happiness or ego-validation, etc. The soulist always views values as instrumental to subjective outcomes.
I think we worldists should own subjective hatred, "Yes, I don't just value XYZ (hate) because I also care about ABC". The soulists would prefer the discussion not be about trade-offs between competing goods but instead shut down competing goods as taboo
I'm not sure what you mean.
Hate is a perfectly normal emotional response to someone harming you or acting against your interests. What do you mean by "owning" it?